Kommentare zu: Why distributions shouldn’t ship development versions

Von: Update auf Debian « Martin’s Blog

Update auf Debian « Martin’s Blog — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:12:26 +0000

[...] (und teilweise Experimental) gewechselt. Die Gründe hab ich eigentlich schon mal ausführlich hier aufgeführt. Um sie noch mal kurz [...]

Von: hefeweiz3n

hefeweiz3n — Thu, 08 Oct 2009 08:33:24 +0000

One very annoying addition: I just tried creating an iso-Image. Well, the iso was created, but now k3b fails to quit (stuck at 100%). Only Solution: “killall k3b”. If you call that thoroughly tested then maybe i should really think about switching to another Distro too…

Von: hefeweiz3n

hefeweiz3n — Thu, 08 Oct 2009 08:14:55 +0000

k3b is in working state (burning and creating images works for me, for ripping i am using audex, i will test k3b to that extent later). But dare i say it: It’s not pretty. There are some quirks and annoying things that should not be there in a productive System (First of all that Progressbar in the Filepicker that gets stuck at 100%). So maybe that Energy that went into patching the new Notification-system that few will use into KDE should have been used to help Sebastian Trueg to improve k3b. But that is just my 2 cents…

Von: Martin

Martin — Thu, 08 Oct 2009 07:10:40 +0000

@ScottK: thanks to let me know.

the powerdevil dialog change got reverted when we uploaded KDE 4.3.2 for Karmic

Good decisions. I only pity those users running the new notifications

Also the notification system stuff is off by default and entirely optional

Yeah I know (and I think I never wrote something else). What I don’t like is that kdebase got heavily patched to include an optional different system to *test* it on the users. I’d never ship code in a KDE release to test something on the users.

The translations are much better this cycle. There are currently some problems because they ran out of disk space during the last export, but that should be resolved shortly.

Does much better mean KDE quality I heard about the current problem and there were already again many upset users in the German ubuntuusers Forum. It’s like nobody expects that it would be different this time

k3b has been pretty heavily tested and seems to be working well.

Experienced users told me that it failed for them. So I’m personally not convinced here

Von: ScottK

ScottK — Thu, 08 Oct 2009 04:25:21 +0000

FYI, the powerdevil dialog change got reverted when we uploaded KDE 4.3.2 for Karmic.

Also the notification system stuff is off by default and entirely optional.

The translations are much better this cycle. There are currently some problems because they ran out of disk space during the last export, but that should be resolved shortly.

k3b has been pretty heavily tested and seems to be working well.

Von: Kelloggs

Kelloggs — Sat, 03 Oct 2009 09:33:23 +0000

Hey Martin,

please let us now, which distribution you finally chose. I tried so many of them (Sabayon, Gentoo, Arch, openSUSE, Kubuntu) but finally, i always switched back to Kubuntu, because something did not fit my requirements or disapptointed me. I tried to like openSUSE, but YaST is a creep. Gentoo is nice if have the time to keep it up to date, which i have not. Sabayon is extremely cool and has a very friendly and active community, but is sometimes extremely instable and you have to fix a lot yourself. Arch is nice, but finding firmware and drivers for some of my hardware made me search and compile for hours.

I am curious what your experiences are…

Von: Sebastián Benítez

Sebastián Benítez — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:17:19 +0000

Currently Arch is IMO the best KDE distro. Much lighter and simpler than Kubuntu. Kubuntu’s ideal, like Ubuntu’s ideal is to make the best distro (or OS) for non tech oriented people, which is fine. But that comes with lots of compromises that make the OS feel heavier and more complex.

It is my opinion that distributions should provide vanilla desktops with just some fine tuning to make them friendlier. The kind of integration Ubuntu does is disgusting, it’s approaching what Vista does.

Von: Gerardo

Gerardo — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:34:41 +0000

Hmpf,

it seems that the Kubuntu community is going to loose one of its most important members (at least regarding the german ubuntuusers forum).

Well, it also seems that OpenSUSE could be a nice alternative (perhaps also for me, after finishing my stressfull diploma next month).

… good luck at your way, martin!

Von: apokryphos

apokryphos — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 08:53:22 +0000

Just to clarify, openSUSE is fully dedicated to the KDE mission and has a stress on always being usable (TM).

While APT was typically quite nice, the new upcoming zypp stack (see opensuse.org/ZYPP) is actually addressing many of the shortcomings of package management stacks. It makes smart decisions (using boolean satisfiability), downloads and installs quicker (because of LZMA compression), and is actually improving in every release (parallel actions for install / download are being implemented). Colouring was also just added to the zypper command line. The syntax is very simple, anyhow.

With openSUSE 11.2, openSUSE is also switching back to KDE as default in response to the community’s requests. openSUSE also employs several KDE developers to work on openSUSE full-time. Some exciting things are planned in the new release including YaST being fully ported to Qt4 (as the installer was last time).

Von: jscurtu

jscurtu — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 04:10:18 +0000

>>>Myself I switched to Kubuntu from opensuse after they released 10.1

Well my last openSUSE or better SuSE Linux Professional was the 9.3, with the 10.0 it sucked, thats when I also switched to (K)Ubuntu but now with the openSUSE 11.2 comming, you can tell that they are listinging to the community and their users, it will be a kicking release…